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We need to raise $500 to save our Ning presence!

Hi all,

Please help us to raise $500 in 5 days to help save the P2P Foundation Ning and contribute towards building a replacement open source home for the members and content.

Go here to make valuable contributions:


Please help spread that link far and wide!

Thanks in advance for your generosity,


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Comment by Anders Abrahamsson on August 16, 2010 at 19:17

- reposting my comment from the fundraising page:

"Hi, Josef et al on P2P Foundation,

I am currently sitting in the same boat with Sustainopreneur’s Café on Ning (http://sustainopreneurship.org). And I prepare to export the data and migrate it to Wordpress with the Buddypress plugins. You can get the same functionality there according to a leading BP developer @boonebgorges convo’ed here – http://bettween.com/sliceonline/boonebgorges. I think you would save yourself thru alot of Drupal Pain… http://buddypress.org :).


[so - want to share the parallel experience of this migration :). and helping others in the same situation ;) ? ]
Comment by Michel Bauwens on August 17, 2010 at 11:38
Thanks Anders,

we are committed to move away from Ning within the next year, to a floss platform. The problem is that various proposals are flying around While I personally like the wordpress idea as an extension of our already popular blog, others seem less enthusiastic. We going to have a process via our mailing list to make a decision on this.

Comment by Alex Rollin on August 17, 2010 at 11:54
It is true that BP does something.

Drupal is up and running and does it all, too. http://commons.peerforge.com

I am working on the content migration for the Ning site now.

Anyone who would like to help is welcome. Into wordpress/BP is the hard part, so far.

I am using the tool that Boone built and have already emailed him for help with my issue as well as posting on the project page at http://teleogistic.net/code/wordpresswordpress-mu/import-from-ning/

If folks are interested they can email me and get a look-see at what's involved.

If you saw what happened with Ning just now, you might ask yourself what happens when you migrate from BP. The answer is, generally, that there are no tools to do so.

This is not the case with Drupal.

Even if you are going the BP route, feel free to contact me as I have some pieces up and running and can help if you need it.

It's a nice idea to fuse the sites, and, there's no policy in place for how that would work, so a separate site, as with Ning, seems to be called for as a community initiative.
Comment by Anders Abrahamsson on August 17, 2010 at 12:56
I'll quote from the comment I made in the comment thread on the crowdfunding platform;

"What the BP solution takes us is making communities far more accessible for the layman level. Drupal takes so much more from the developer. Showcasing BP solutions is “spreading the word” of how powerful the WP tool is. http://buddypress.org/2010/04/ning-to-buddypres... also saves alot of development time/cost. IMHO."


Self-hosting on Open Source platform, with simplicity of use and installment - that is WP/BP in a nutshell. And as for data migration, export will be available in BP 1.4+


If you already have a popular WP blog, also easy to synch themes. And extend the WP blog to a BP community site then maybe will keep it even more straightforward and cool, promo wise?

Just some 2c, decision is yours. I'm not on the mailing list.
Comment by Michel Bauwens on August 17, 2010 at 13:08
thanks Anders, it will be up to a few technicals to decide, but I copied your proposal to the list,

Comment by Anders Abrahamsson on August 17, 2010 at 13:33
cool, thx! :)
Comment by Tom Crowl on August 17, 2010 at 15:04
I'm afraid I can't help with money right now... My house was just taken by the bank yesterday and though progress on my project is getting close... its not quite here yet.

BUT!!! I do believe my little endeavor is gaining traction and is the sort of thing that eventually will become a huge catalyst to peer-to-peer empowerment.

The Individually-controlled/Commons-dedicated Account* (and especially the resultant network) is a simple concept... but provides an essential framework essential for re-vitalization of Enlightenment principles within an excessively commercialized world.

*A Self-supporting , Commons-owned neutral, platform for both political and charitable monetary contribution... which for very fundamental scaling reasons must allow a viable micro-transaction (think x-box points for action in the Commons). The resultant network catalyzes additional functionality for co-ordination of other 'social energy' utilization. (P.S. Its the most neutral and ultimately politically viable method for the public finance of elections.)

Money and the Machinery of Representation

Personal Democracy: Disruption as an Enlightenment Essential

The Foundations of Authoritarianism

How would hunter-gatherers run the world? (pssst... They Do!)

Credit Creation and the Building of Sustainable Economic Ecologies http://culturalengineer.blogspot.com/2010/02/credit-creation-and-bu...

Demo (crude but all I could afford) http://www.Chagora.com
LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/culturalengineer
Comment by Chris Watkins on August 17, 2010 at 16:29
Anders' comment re BuddyPress:

"I think you would save yourself thru alot of Drupal Pain… http://buddypress.org :)."

+1 - Drupal is worth considering if you have much more money for coders, a lot of patience and willingness to debug, and actively maintain over coming years, and have site needs that can't otherwise be satisfied. Not the case for the P2P Foundation, I think.

Grou.ps looks like a good option, and being a hosted solution, probably much less work even than BuddyPress - see this thread on a GlobalSwadeshi discussion. It's also open source, same as BP.

Both solutions support a P2P society, by being so accessible (which Drupal is not). There are better uses for the money you've raised, if the donors are okay with it.
Comment by Michel Bauwens on August 18, 2010 at 8:25
thanks to chris and tom and others for your input. Tom: will check your links, and really sorry to hear about your house! More and more people it seems, will go through that rite of passage ...

Comment by Michel Bauwens on August 18, 2010 at 8:28
Tom, feel free to propose a blog post on: The Individually-controlled / Commons-dedicated Account concept

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